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04/01/2012 21:46:22
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John Dunstan
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Sorry it took me so long to get around to this, Christmas and work mainly.
Anyway, 7.30pm Monday 16th January at The Gateway. Mainly an opportunity to continue the CGM discussion http://www.manchesterwheelers.co.uk/Forum/topic3321-cgm.aspx but we can discuss whatever people want to cover, particularly racing which seems on a lot of peoples minds at the moment. On the original tread there were some really good points made so would be good if those people could be there as well as any new faces/voices. See you there.
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04/01/2012 21:52:44
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Nick G
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I'll be there, John.
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04/01/2012 22:45:28
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stonemonkey1972
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sorry I cant make that night! shame!will be out 7.30 -8.30 pm tour of St Marys ready for our new arrival in Feb
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04/01/2012 23:32:10
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snowmole
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I'll try to be there.
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06/01/2012 00:10:14
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Cathy
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Will try to get there, too - work-permitting!
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06/01/2012 08:42:11
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Julia Coleman
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Hi John
I'll be there too.
All the best Julia
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06/01/2012 19:54:17
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Tom R
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Will try and make this as well John.
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07/01/2012 16:34:09
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Nev
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sounds good - I should be there
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15/01/2012 19:17:02
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John Dunstan
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Reminder about tomorrow evening. 7.30pm. I'll see you there.
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16/01/2012 09:08:43
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Eugene
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John, unfortunately it doesn't look like I will be able to make it tonight, hope you guys have a good evening.
In terms of the rides, my input to your discussion would be that there is a lot of flexibility in the club which is great and should continue though we are missing a bit of STRUCTURE. I don't mean structure in terms of a fixed schedule of destinations or routes every week (this has been tried and failed) but structure in terms of TYPES of ride.
As an example the Tuesday & Thursday evening rides have been running successfully for well over a year now with numbers frequently 10+. The main reason for this is that everyone knows exactly what they are going to get in terms of distance and effort - those that like it keep coming back, those that don't don't. Saturday CG's, Rothers "paining" ride on a Sunday, Cheadle circuits are other examples though more geared towards those wanting to race or the fitter end of the riding spectrum. The Women's Ride is another good example.
Its true that there is a gap between the Intro and the examples listed above, so what would the TYPE of ride that bridges that gap look like, i.e. the Intermediate ride? For example distance 50 miles, mixed terrain, average speeds round 17-18 mph overall, going faster on the flats to get people used to a bit more speed and recovery but not going mental, no cafe stop. Could be others but needs to be positioned clearly, and described clearly, then adhered to as a fixture, with a good description on the rides list. Doesn't need set routes or anything like that - that should be varied and up to the ride leader. The key though is that this ride should stay at that format and not get progressively faster for example as everyone gets fitter - if people get fitter then THEY should MOVE ON to a more difficult ride, not make this ride more difficult. Otherwise the gap will appear in the ride schedule once more.
The above examples are probably all that is needed if they can be kept running (as others will spring up when someone fancies a change or to do their thing in terms of hills, or longer mileage), the challenge then becomes getting a core of LEADERS for each type of ride. This will be a challenge especially when the racing season starts as many of the regular weekend ride leaders will be racing and the structure will fall over as a result unless there is a strong core of ride leaders.
Once the core TYPES of ride are determined, then each needs a core group of LEADERS (say 5 per type of ride) prepared to organise themselves and keep that ride going much like Kev & I do for Tuesday & Thursdays, Martin and Dave for CGs, etc. If this can be done, and a SCHEDULE agreed and MAINTAINED, then we should be in business.
Anyway, just my suggestions 
Have a great discussion tonight, looking forward to hearing the ideas!
edited by Eugene on 16/01/2012
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16/01/2012 19:32:18
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markP
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Hello? Is there anybody here? Maybe the first thing I'll discuss with myself is timekeeping.
Or am I in the wrong Gateway?
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17/01/2012 10:58:38
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viv
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Oh dear. Did things work out in the end yesterday? Any news?
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17/01/2012 11:39:18
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paulrockliffe
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Yes, was a good turnout. Nick G is writing up some notes.....
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17/01/2012 16:39:05
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Nick G
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Yes, we had thirteen, so a good turnout. I have several pages of notes, so I'll compile them into something that makes sense and circulate it in the next day or few.
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17/01/2012 18:13:04
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viv
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Ace, thanks Nick. I was sure some people would be there...so where was mark p?
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17/01/2012 19:12:33
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markP
Posts 295
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Everyone turned up eventually. Bit similar to the club runs really. 
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17/01/2012 19:31:52
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snowmole
Posts 172
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markP wrote:
Everyone turned up eventually
It was a social after all - not a formal meeting No-one wants to be the first to turn up at a party.
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19/01/2012 17:34:58
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AlanG
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What was decided about the ride structure?
I ask because I will be training for LEJoG over the next 3 months and I'm planning on doing rides of increasing distance starting off around 50 miles in February and ending up over 100 miles in April with the pace being around 15-18mph depending on terrain. I'm not sure what other people's thoughts were regarding intermediate rides etc but would be happy to lead rides where these fit in.
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19/01/2012 18:03:08
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Nick G
Posts 167
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Hi Alan
I'll be writing and posting a meeting note over the weekend, but the main conclusions (I would say) were:
a) Intro rides need a bit more structure;
b) We need more volunteers to lead rides.
Most ride leaders, as I understand it, lead rides that they themselves want to do (my two hilly ones coming up, for example).
See also Eugene's post above, which I think everyone present thought a good summary of the issues.
The general maxim seems to be "Lead; and they will follow."
To those who were there: please correct me if I'm wrong!
edited by Nick_G on 19/01/2012
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19/01/2012 19:18:38
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Jonathan
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I'm really sorry i did not make it to the meeting Nick - with Mum passing away and Dad being hospital - forgot about it! - As I've said before - if people are happy with the way things are going - just continue as it is - ie if it ain't broken - don't mess with it BUT - If the club wants to offer what other - I guess 'traditional' cycling clubs offer then it should be quite staright forward!:
1. Into rides 30 - 45 miles easy terrain - one leader plus a couple of others to 'help out'. No one is left behind and good solid advice and help given out.
2. The Intermediate ride - this should just be called 'The sunday club' ride - 60/70 miles average pace say 17/18mph - some interesting terrain at times and a cafe stop. Again designated leaders and destinations - with at least a couple of other experienced riders happy to help out - ie if someone gets the 'bonks' or has a puncture!
3. As I've said before - the racing guys will take care of themselves ie the chaingangs, Tues & Thurs evenings, and Mr R's pain rides!
Please remember a lot of these riders will not be out on sundays once the racing season starts - they will either be racing or recovering!
I accept that the club has a pedigree in racing - but it now appears to be 'evolving' in other ways as well - therefore consideration to this needs to be recognised. Also what about juniors? - how are they going to be encouraged and welcomed??
Anyway - always here to help and advise in anyway i can! Good luck dude! x
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